Sins Of A Solar Empire Public Review

[TFL]Temmu · Sins Of A Solar Empire Public Review

This review is from the view of a seasoned Homeworld 2 player. Basically Sins is Homeworld 2 but on a much, much larger scale. You now get the OMG WTF SO MANY SHIP battles that everyone wanted in Homewold 2 but could never get them because of cap ship limits and other things. On average there are at least several big battles of 100 ships or more on both sides fighting it out.
SoaSe has 3 classes. The Vasari, the Tec and the Advent. The Vasari are my personal favorite because their ships are more expensive than the others but a lot more kickass and powerful. The Advent are like the Vaygr of Homeworld 2. Their mind control ability and fighters are absolutely deadly in large numbers. Finally the Tec are you resource monsters. They basically have the best resource income because they have to build the most ships and what not.
Research is a lot more in depth then it was in Homeworld. You have 2 sets of labs, a war research lab and empire lab. The war lab will help you develop weapons to build bigger and more badass ships, or improve ships armor shields or weapons fire.
The empire lab will allow you to research new structures such as trade routes and refineries, and upgrades to your crystal and metal income. This will help bring you in resources and make sure you’re the wealthiest person possible.
The balance between the two is key. Usually I go with empire first because people don’t normally attack right away so you have a chance to have no defense for a little while.
The problem with that though is if you get a pirate raid set on you. They can cause a lot of damage believe it or not especially because they come in large numbers. They can be disabled but most people like to have them around for kicks as well as to piss players off.
There is no micro-ing in this game. Talk to anyone in the sins lobby who isn’t from hw2 and they say " is micro?" The ship AI is very intelligent about selecting the targets that can do the most damage first then the weakest and down the line. They do not concentrate fire though and that is how you can micro. In big battles that could turn the tide as we all know if you properly micro your ships.

And finally the last important thing about sins is the size and game time. The quickest rush I have ever seen was in a game I played where I attacked the player and crippled him within 30 mins. I couldn’t finish him until an hour because I didn’t have enough planet killing ships as well as his orbital defenses were good. This game is meant to take forever to play. It’s all part of the game. lol

Hope this helps all of those who wanted to know the game.
Cheers!

(stop your bitching now will ya)

Mad Bomber|TFL

Is there a difference between the words Then and Than?

Why are there not spaces after periods?

Where is the capitalization?

I know with the new computer chatting age of fast typing and OMG content these things seem unnecessary but please use them. These rules make things easier to read. Your blocks of type are difficult at best.

On a bright side you did use paragraphs.

[TFL]Tank0

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Hideki

is this the thread to just waste the original author's intent?
random smilie (not even smiling...) :

ok, at least i make a relavant reply too...

"OMG WTF SO MANY SHIP battles that everyone wanted in homewold 2" - this was done in many mods, which all sucked, besides, imo, if you had to control any more ships than the current medium ship limit, you can't control a damn in busy times and you will just lose everything while only handling tiny part of your whole fleet. so, at least i didn't want omfg-this-is-too-many!!!-cool!!! feature in hw2.

imo, if the ship amount increases, each ship's importance just lessons and battle might start to look cheap, because you don't care if u lose a squad or 2 out of 100 but in hw2 if you lose 2 in 1v1, you're toast.

but this is all my rambling when i only watched vid of soase game play p5 + others played, so, it may be cooler than i imagine.

so far, the downside, to me, is that it takes too long, and people can pull the network cable, sync for real, have to go pee, have to eat lunch, have to date, play with dog and all that if it goes beyond 1 hour.

still, looking forward for the demo.
(hmm no cap letters...plz dont ban me)

Mad Bomber|TFL

I am all for freedom but I had to stop reading at one point.

After "have the best resource income because they have to build the most ships and what not.
research is a lot more in depth then it was in homeworld.you can have 2 sets of labs, a war research lab and empire lab. the " I just couldnt go on.

Temmu, I know you aren't the TFL with the best writing knowledge but please at least try!

The review is helpful, I will say that. It helps people who prefer micro and faster games avoid a turtlefest type game where skill isn't determined by the amount of clicking you can do inside of 30 seconds. However, if you would just take time and make an effort to write a readable post it would be better!!!

TankO and Hideki, I am not nitpicking. I was making a point! USE A WORD PROCESSOR!!!!! Then copy and paste!

[TFL]bclaytz

Id go with Tec i think, me loves me some economy! :D

Cernunnos

First of all I agree with most things Hideki mentioned. Secondly, when is the demo coming out?

And thirdly, what would really interest me is how a typical game looks like in reference to the fighting units. What kind of units are you / should you using/use when and how. How many different ones are there etc. etc. Obviously there isn't much microing involved which kind of sucks if you ask me. But what really worries me is that I think I remember a post you wrote a while back Temmu, which in a way was suggesting that there actually aren't many diffrent units you can use. Is that true or am I (hopefully) completely misguided?

Oh and Maddie, if you want to play teacher you can do that with me and my posts, if you spot a mistake (grammatical, tense or whatever) I in contrast to others would actually be very happy if you helped me on improving my english. -_-

Hideki

improve game skill first... your english looks ok enough.

anyway, it might be posted in ur secret intel super w00t tfl internal forum, but here's a link to game play vid
http://forums.sinsofasolarempire....orumid=402&aid=148534&c=1 (links other than gametrailer's might be dead or slow, so either do save-as or use the low res gametrailer's)

[TFL]BigBANGtheory

Maybe I should just post the manual for you, some of Cern's questions will just take too long to answer.

SoaSE Retail Manual incl. ships
http://rapidshare.com/files/89939923/manual.pdf.html

[TFL]Tank0

i think the long period it takes to finish a game is a little obstacle but i am sure in skilled games all will flow rapidly enough and i expect so many omfg comebacks .

imagine a TFL internal every week , first week they start a giant game and every week they continue with the 6 first TFL of every team that shows up .

example

team 1 apoc , bcalytz , cern
team 2 bbt , zanarkand , daft
team 3 blacksand , loc , star
team 4 inert , inR , temmu
team 5 bomba , tank , watcher
team 6 bigchunk , xerxes , blacksand

if me and bomba can't make it that week for team 5 watchers plays .

another fun thing to do is play the first hour and then save and change sides .

i think skilled players will also offer remise or offer defeat to start a new game sooner if they see the lost their main fleet and the rest is clean up .

i do fear for the supcom scenario : W2M2C (way to many to controle) . One of the main lessons i learned in TA and hw series is not to build and forget but to command units aka micro . i am sure there will be micro advantages in soase but will all the effort be worth it and will you have the chance to influence all battles at the same time .

the races seem to be balanced and i think its a real advantage to have mix race teams . hated that in coh and eaw .

in the end i will surely buy this , i played piece of crap eaw because it had some sort of space battle so i ll try this one too .

ps : translation smilies for hid

rules = bs

rebel = forum freedom

your goofy admin

love/peace

@ maddie

i know what you mean , the first posts of hideki literally gave me headaches . i try to type as best as i can myself , although far from being perfect , i truly try to remember what you said .the english i learned on these boards helps me in my job . My boss picked up on my english skill so now i am one of the unlucky bastards who can pick up the phone if an embassy or a european counselman needs isp support . its rather hard not to get impressed when a ambassador demands service/support you aren't allowed to give .
just saying
spelling and grammar should not be the main focus on a international straight english forum imho . you yanks and brits should be gratefull the rest of the planet didn't switch to chinese yet

[TFL]BigBANGtheory

In SoaSE you can save multi-player games, which works if the players know and co-operate with each other.

<BBT: has flashbacks to his CoH: Vire River Valley 4hour games>

Hideki

err? which post gave you headaches?

but still mad was pointing about paragraphs, not just grammar, and where's temmu from?

at least, i know my grammar can suck at one moment, but i make roomy paragraphs (and somewhat care about spelling too), so even english mastery like you guys can somewhat read it...

[TFL]BigBANGtheory

I think ur making a mountain out of a mole hill

, if you got that much time go read the SoaSE manual I posted.

Mad Bomber|TFL

Well Tank, I know what you mean and if it were anyone who wasn't either a Brit or American I wouldn't say the same thing. Temmu is American and to be honest he is the next generation college kid who can't spell to save his life! That was why I made it a point to ask him to write correctly. 2 spaces after a period makes things so much easier to read.

Since I tried to learn dutch I realize that people who aren't native speakers will always have problems so I will never say a word about it to anyone non-native, unless I do it in private to help them.

Temmu try to post more readably please.

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Hideki

i know my grammar sux kthx (me cries) otoh, fleet of death stars was a nice touch... that would be the dumbest mod ever...

Hand

"[S]hips just stand completely still in battle"? - http://forums.sinsofasolarempire....x.aspx?forumid=402&aid=175286

Is that accurate? It sounds like a game-killing flaw, if true.

The "debate" in that thread reminds me of this: http://xkcd.com/202/

Cernunnos

[TFL]Temmu

Yes the ships do stand still in a fight and you cannot move them while they are attacking which most of the time is a pain. The game still has a lot of perks to it which give it its own personal touch. Face it we will never get the perfect space RTS ever. If they continued the Homeworld saga then maybe and only maybe we would have gotten close. Now there is no hope though. Oh well learn from our mistakes we shall.

And when I posted this review I was half asleep so sorry my typing edict was not perfect and instead i just smashed buttons.

xbomber

[TFL]Temmu

yea i agree... but then again this game from the start was about the epic battles and conquering solar systems and planets... this was their theme so of course when we talk about conquering planets then yea its gonna be a long game. the custom map maker though gives you the ability to make a 5 planet map which would me 2 planets for each person and then you duke it out for the center to win the game. or you could drop it down to even 3 planets. the point of the fact is that this game from the start has been all about the massive fleet battles, which is personally what i have been waiting for. i have always wanted a game where you are commanding a massive fleet. even 2 to 3 massive fleets. so yes there are some downsides to the game but it makes up for it with other features. again face it guys there will never be another homeworld. even though there were fans for it the game will never have another one made. so you just have to find a game and settle on it. with sins i think that its your best bet...

Dark|TFL

ok i can say that the game is quite unique.....but:

I played a large map like 67 planets and 4-5 stars....i played 4-5 hours and i only conquered 1 star!!!!!!!!!.

btw i was playing against comp 5v5..ok this really sucks playing for that long and not finishing

[TFL]Temmu

1 star.... dam dude you gotta move faster then that... you dont need everplanet... just some key ones... eventually you can have 2 many planets =p

ratamaguru

Hideki

now u only have to own inside the game.

ratamaguru

2 down 1 to go, i'll be one of the few trip threats in the hwcommunity.

[TFL]BigBANGtheory

A homeworld fan would be 'barking mad' not to at least consider SoaSE, unless you want your 1000th game of Crimson Yawn.

[TFL]Zanarkand

Some of the official maps that come with the game are my designs.

[TFL]Temmu

thats awesome p5y!!!!!

Hideki

thanks to tfl maps, we don't have to play Crazy Yawn million times...

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